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<font class="mediumtxt">Deze decklist heb ik gerund in Haarlem: 5-2, 16e plek van de 100:<br>
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	<th align="center" bgcolor="lightskyblue">Maindeck - 60<br>
Sideboard - 15</th>
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	<td valign="top" bgcolor="azure"><strong>Creatures</strong> - 14<br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Birds+of+Paradise&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Birds of Paradise</b></a><br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Avacyn+Pilgrim&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Avacyn's Pilgrim</b></a><br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Elesh+Norn+Grand&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite</b></a><br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Sun+Titan&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Sun Titan</b></a></td>
	<td valign="top" bgcolor="azure"><strong>Planeswalkers</strong> - 3<br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Liliana+of+the+Veil&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Liliana of the Veil</b></a></td>
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	<td valign="top" bgcolor="azure"><strong>Artifact &amp; Enchantment</strong> - 3<br>
2 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Sword+of+feast&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Sword of Feast and Famine</b></a><br>
1 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Sword+of+War&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Sword of War and Peace</b></a><br>
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	<td valign="top" bgcolor="azure"><strong>Land</strong> - 23<br>
1 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Gavony+Township&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Gavony Township</b></a><br>
2 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Darkslick+Shores&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Darkslick Shores</b></a><br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Copperline+Gorge&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Copperline Gorge</b></a><br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Razorverge+Thicket&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Razorverge Thicket</b></a><br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Blackcleave+Cliffs&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Blackcleave Cliffs</b></a><br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Forest&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Forest</b></a><br>
1 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Plains&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Plains</b></a><br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Shimmering+Grotto&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Shimmering Grotto</b></a></td>
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	<td valign="top" bgcolor="azure"><strong>Other Spells</strong> - 17<br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Mulch&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Mulch</b></a><br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Faithless+Looting&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Faithless Looting</b></a><br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Lingering+Souls&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Lingering Souls</b></a><br>
2 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Tracker+Instinct&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Tracker's Instincts</b></a><br>
4 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Unburial+Rites&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Unburial Rites</b></a><br>
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	<td valign="top" bgcolor="azure"><strong>Sideboard</strong> - 15<br>
1 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Wurmcoil+Engine&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Wurmcoil Engine</b></a><br>
2 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Divine+Reckoning&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Divine Reckoning</b></a><br>
1 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Sword+of+feast&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Sword of Feast and Famine</b></a><br>
2 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Sword+of+War&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Sword of War and Peace</b></a><br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Ancient+Grudge&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Ancient Grudge</b></a><br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Memory+Journey&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Memory's Journey</b></a><br>
3 <a href="http://magiccards.info/query?q=Ray+Revelation&amp;v=card&amp;s=cname" target="_blank"><b>Ray of Revelation</b></a></td>
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<font class="mediumtxt">Juist ja!<br>
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French Rites kan je een heel sterke anti-delver build van maken. Maar de
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<font class="mediumtxt">Ja je kan   C o c k a t r i c e . d e   
gebruiken. Kunnen we binnenkort doen. De spaties zijn tegen het censuur 
dat MIJN site MIJ oplegt. Grr...<br>
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Maargoed, dan heb ik nog een aantal kaarten nodig <img src="viewthread_bestanden/rolleyes.gif" style="border: medium none;" alt=":rolleyes:"><br>
1 Giselia<br>
3 Wurmcoil<br>
1 Elesh<br>
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Oh dat valt mee, ik heb alle goedkope kaarten en de mana-base al XD<br>
Hoewel, Tibalt kost tegenwoordig ook geen drol meer...<br>
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Waar heb je deze built trouwens vandaan? En hoe doet deze het tegenover 
de rest van de meta? Ik denk dat control compleet de grond gelijk maakt 
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dit deck...<br>
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Juist, Gisela zou je wellicht 1 keer kunnen regelen bij niemand anders 
dan Ronald. De Township heb ik wel voor je. 1x Wurmcoil ook.<br>
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Tibalt is naar mijn mening nog steeds een sleeper. De enige vormen van 
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Dat wil zeggen; Esper/Solar Flare of Grixis. Over het algemeen heb je 
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Want voor zover ik het zie is Delver de deck om altijd voorbereid op te 
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zijn. Hoe
dit deck het doet tegen Solar Flare weet ik tbh ook niet, maar aangezien
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eerste zou proberen Tibalt te killen, wat betekent dat je levens krijgt 
en ze vertraagt. Verder kan
control de Tibalt dus niets doen zonder mana-leak en kan je dus genoeg 
kaarten in je graveyard krijgen. Zit wat in dan. Ik wil dit deck sowieso
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proberen, lijkt me vet.<br>
De coil weet ik dat je hebt. Michele heeft er ook één, maar ook een 
elesh. Dat betekent dat als ik de Giselia van Ronald kan krijgen ik 
alleen nog 1
coil en 3 tibalt nodig heb. Nice. <br>
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Heb jij voor jouw deck nog iets nodig? <br>
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<font class="mediumtxt">Onder andere <img src="viewthread_bestanden/smile.gif" style="border: medium none;" alt=":)"> Dat en je hebt met Lingering Souls een enorm sterke game tegen ze
(oneindig blockers + jouw lategame is een stuk groter.). <br>
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En inderdaad! Ze komen ook niet van Tibalt af tenzij ze een creature 
neerleggen, maar aangezien ze dat ook nauwelijks doen en jij ze met 
Tibalt af kan
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En op het moment dat ze bij Sun Titan gearriveerd zijn, heb jij 
waarschijnelijk al genoeg loyalty om Tibalt op te offeren om zijn leger 
met Sun
Titan/Images over te nemen voor de winning swing. EN je mag dan op 
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Mijn deck pfoe, even nadenken. Ik weet zelf nog niet 100% zeker wat ik 
ga spelen. Ik denk in ieder geval 4x Glacial Fortress. 1x Tamiyo, 1x 
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Blade Splicer, 2x Moorland Haunt.<br>
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Eeen dat was het ^^. Hopelijk kan ik de 4x Fortress lenen van Michele, 
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Ander deck waar ik aan zit te denken is Mono-G aggro</font>

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 die enchant removal. Dat zijn zeven slots (6 als tempered steel niet 
meer wordt gespeeld, dat weet ik
eigenlijk niet. Trafo board met Titans en swords weer doen? Of eerder 
gaan voor Bombfires? <br>
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Voor jou is hoe dan ook nihil spellbomb wel iets XD<br>
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Creatures -- 15<br>
4 Avacyn's Pilgrim<br>
4 Birds of Paradise<br>
3 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite<br>
2 Phantasmal Image<br>
2 Sun Titan<br>
<br>
Artifact -- 3<br>
1 Sword of War and Peace<br>
1 Sword of Feast and Famine<br>
1 Sword of Body and Mind<br>
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Planeswalkers -- 3<br>
3 Liliana of the Veil<br>
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Sorcery -- 16<br>
4 Faithless Looting<br>
4 Lingering Souls<br>
4 Mulch<br>
4 Unburial Rites<br>
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Land -- 23<br>
4 Blackcleave Cliffs<br>
4 Copperline Gorge<br>
4 Razorverge Thicket<br>
2 Darkslick Shores<br>
6 Forest<br>
1 Mountain<br>
1 Plains<br>
1 Gavony Township<br>
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Naar mijn mening controlt Tibalt minder goed dan Liliana, zeker tegen de
 meta die afhangt van beestjes. Als Elesh eenmaal ligt is er vaak nog 
maar één
beest over ofzo, wat dan weg kan. <br>
Verder: 8 Targets die je wil hebben (Swords, Image en Liliana) met Sun Titan. Enige is, is het goed genoeg?</font>
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gewonnen, dus eigenlijk 6-1, en
was geen slecht deck tegen Delver) op de PTQ in Haarlem:<br>
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Main Board<br>
Creatures -- 14<br>
4 Birds of Paradise<br>
4 Avacyn's Pilgrim<br>
3 Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite<br>
3 Sun Titan<br>
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Artifact -- 3<br>
1 Sword of War and Peace<br>
2 Sword of Feast and Famine<br>
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Planeswalker -- 3<br>
3 Liliana of the Veil<br>
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Sorcery -- 17<br>
4 Mulch<br>
4 Faithless Looting<br>
3 Lingering Souls<br>
2 Tracker's Instinct<br>
4 Unburial Rites<br>
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Land -- 23<br>
1 Gavony Township<br>
2 Darkslick Shores<br>
4 Copperline Gorge<br>
4 Razorverge Thicket<br>
4 Blackcleave Cliffs<br>
4 Forest<br>
1 Plains<br>
3 Shimmering Grotto<br>
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Side Board -- 15<br>
1 Wurmcoil Engine<br>
2 Divine Reckoning<br>
2 Sword of War and Peace<br>
1 Sword of Feast and Famine<br>
3 Ancient Grudge<br>
3 Memory's Journey<br>
3 Ray of Revelation<br>
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Dat was wel 1 van de hoogtepunten van het toernooi. Na heel wat getest. 
Blijkt het dat Frites toch ongeveer een 40% matchup heeft tegen een 
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Delver speler. <br>
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Tegen een minder goede Delver speler 60-70%+. Denk dat Marijn's build wel een van de sterkere is. <br>
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Zwakheden etc;<br>
-Beurt 1 Mana dork is essentieel<br>
-Beurt 2 Mulch is anders essentieel<br>
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een van deze twee gestopt is nogal klote en bijna een instaloss voor frites.<br>
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*Hoe meer Mana Dorks Frites in the openinghand heeft, hoe meer kans 
Frites heeft om te winnen. (Frites wint als het meer dan 4-5 mana kan 
krijgen en
meer dan 10 leven overheeft.)<br>
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Overall kunnen we ermee spelen om te tweaken, maar zover kan ik niet echt zeggen welke kaarten nou zwak waren tegen Delver. <br>
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Op dit moment is het wel een sterke meta-keuze vind ik, hoe meer Delver 
er is hoe sterker het is. Delver speelt nauwelijks graveyard hate, en 
alleen
is het oppassen voor de Delver decks die 2+ Gut shots in de main hebben 
(LSV's build en de nieuwe Grand Prix winnende build; 2x Pike, 3x Gut
Shot..:P).<br>
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Conclusies;<br>
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Testen tegen andere Match-ups zoals RUG Pod, U/W Delver zonder Gut Shots en eventueel tweaken. <br>
Er zit potentie in <img src="viewthread_bestanden/smile.gif" style="border: medium none;" alt=":)"><br>
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Het is niet zo zwart-wit als jij zegt. Frites is zeer flexibel in de 
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Wat niemand schijnt te weten: sloop de witte mana, sloop het deck. Onthouden. Zoek zelf maar uit waarom.</font>
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